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With Scott Schober (Opens in a new tab), CEO, Berkeley Varitronics Systems
Scott’s company was hit by a targeted attack that cost 65,000 dollars. The instinct in that situation is containment: say as little as possible and hope the story dies. He did the opposite and published the detail of his own mistakes in a book.
The commercial result is the interesting part. Total transparency about a failure built more customer trust than an unblemished record would have, because a vendor willing to describe how it was beaten is a vendor a buyer can calibrate.
Scott traces the shift from traditional advertising spend to building a personal brand as an educator. For a multi-generational family business in a technical category, teaching turned out to be a more efficient route to attention than buying it.
This is the generosity-before-the-sale pattern in practice. Give away the useful thing, and the credibility follows.
Scott gives a reality check on digital identity, and is direct about the 90 day password rotation rule. Forced frequent rotation produces predictable, weaker passwords and pushes people toward reuse and written records. The policy creates more vulnerabilities than it closes, and multifactor authentication is the actual minimum for every login.

Phill Keaney-Bolland
Co-founder and Designer, Yaya
Co-founder and designer at Yaya, and host of the Cult Products podcast. Fifteen years designing products, brands and UX across multiple industries before narrowing to cybersecurity, and lectures on design at Imperial. Works with cybersecurity founders on positioning, strategy and the website that has to carry a launch, across identity, cloud security, AI agents and software supply chain, including Twine out of stealth and Geordie AI, which won the RSA Innovation Sandbox in 2026.
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The episode closes on the longer horizon: the ability of quantum computing to compromise encryption standards that are currently treated as durable, including AES 256, in timeframes that make today’s assumptions look optimistic.